Mi-a lipsit sa scriu sau sa postez pe blog, deci trebuie sa va spun cum am vazut eu ce s-a intamplat in Romania si pe la vecini in ultimele zece zile. O sa vi le insir asa cum imi vin in minte.
Un circ de prost gust pe principiul "sa prostim prostii". Unii au si pus botul. Hai sa plimbam niste crocodili in lanturi, fara sa-i judecam, poate uita astia ca benzina a ajuns la 5 lei litrul (dublu fata de acum cativa ani, desi pretul petrolului e la jumatate fata de atunci - cata foame au astia, nu se mai satura; de aia nu o sa avem masini cu adevarat ecologice, decat cand nu va mai fi petrol pe planeta). Desigur ca o sa le dam drumul, cam peste 6 luni, ca n-avem nicio dovada, dar gasim noi altii, ca sunt destui. Superb. Iata, muriti de foame, dar macar se face dreptate...
Un tigan a mai omorat un roman. De data asta in Craiova. Nu in Ungaria si nu in haita, ci solo. Romanul nu era un dac mare, cum era Marian Cozma, ci un batranel care-si plimba nepotica. Sub ochii copilului, brunetul cu creasta i-a dat doua reprize de pumni, insa scapa, pentru ca el mai facuse nasoale, de genul furt calificat, dar se plimba liber. Legea vegheaza! Bravo, noi ramanem toleranti, ca asa e frumos si crestineste, de aia nu a intervenit nimeni decisiv. Apropos de lege, cica sa nu mai injuri in trafic, strainii. Pai daca nu injuri acolo, unde mai injuri? Acasa, pe ai tai? Mai las-o dracu! Ah, da, si vor plati smecherii, aia la care uita politia sa se uite la inregistrari. Cum sa nu.
Se propune, in sfarsit, o masura care, coroborata cu altele (indepartarea mafiei din piete ar fi una dintre ele), poate duce la o usoare dezghetare a productiei micului agricultor autohton - mall-uri inchise duminica - si gata, televiziunile au sarit in aer! Nu se poate! Mai bine cumparam scump si strain din mall, decat ieftin si romanesc din piata. Pana ieri jeleau moartea agriculturii romanesti, tipau ca mancam numai cu chimicale, ce misto e-n Austria cu pietucile alea de weekend, dar, acum ca misca ceva, nu e bine. Niste ipocriti.
Cu ceva timp in urma aflasem ca Polonia era singura tara din U.E. care fentase criza mondiala, si, implicit, refuza un imprumut de la F.M.I. Ieri am aflat, ca, ghinion, crema clasei politice din tara respectiva a pierit intr-un incident de avion in Rusia. Incidentul a fost deja aruncat in carca pilotilor decedati, deci mortii sunt de vina.
Am vazut pe la stiri un fragment dintr-un discurs al fostului presedinte polonez pe care pot sa-l reduc la "Polonia va fi o tara independenta in cadrul U.E.". E, poate de acum nu va mai fi. Poate, in urma socului produs, tara va intra in vrie si, atunci, baietii buni de la FMI ii vor imprumuta si pe ei, "salvandu-i". Soarta... Cand nu e o revolutie, e un accident, deci se pare ca lipsa de datorii dauneaza grav vietii.
Gata, ca sunt cam ruginit.
11 apr. 2010
31 mar. 2010
Pelasgii sau Protolatinii (Arimii), din Dacia Preistorica de Nicolae Densusianu
Inceputurile Poporului Pelasg
1. Vechimea rasei pelasge
Inca inainte de emigratiunea grecilor, celtilor si a germanilor din tinuturile Europei, cea mai mare parte a acestui continent era ocupata de o rasa de oameni veniti din Asia, pe cari autorii grecesti ii numeau, in general, pelasgi si turseni ( N. edit: Nicolae Densusianu ramane tributar opiniei generale, specifica vremii si inca enuntata si in sec XXI, influentata de Vechiul Testament iudaic, ca Omenirea ar fi aparut in Orientul Apropiat. Cu toate acestea, pe tot parcursul lucrarii, Nicolae Densusianu dovedeste ca Romania actuala (Dacia) a fost centrul de difuzare a civilizatiei umane)
Acesti pelasgi formase, in timpurile anteelene, cel mai intins, mai puternic si mai remarcabil popor, o natiune, care din punct de vedere moral si material, a schimbat fata Europei arhaice.
Pelasgii ne apar in fruntea tuturor traditiunilor istorice, nu numai in Elada si in Italia, dar si in regiunile din nordul Dunarii si ale Marii Negre, in Asia Mica, in Asyria si in Egipet. Ei reprezinta tipul originar al popoarelor asa numite arice, care a introdus in Europa cele dintai beneficii ale civilizatiunii.
Urmele extensiunii lor etnografice, precum si alte activitatii lor industriale, le mai aflam si astazi pe cele trei continente ale lumii vechi; incepand din muntii Norvegiei pana in pustiurile Saharei, de la izvoarele raurilor Araxe si Oxus pana la oceanul Atlantic.
Insa, istoria lor politica si istoria civilizatiunii lor sunt acoperite de intunericul vechimii.
Putinele date, ce ne-au ramas asupra pelasgilor, ne infatiseaza pe acest mare si admirabil popor numai in ultimul period al istoriei sale, atunci cand independenta sa politica era distrusa aproape peste tot locul si cand numele sau incepe sa dispara. Din nefericire, insa, chiar si aceste putine date, fragmentare, ce ne-a ramas despre pelasgi, ne sunt transmise de cei cari i-au cucerit, i-au distrus, i-au persecutat, i-au imprastiat si, in urma, i-au calumniat. Astfel ca istoria epocei lor de inflorire, de putere si de extensiune teritoriala in Europa, Asia si Africa, istoria imperiilor si institutiunilor sale, a artelor si industriei lor, a ramas inmormantata. Cu deosebire, istoria politica a pelasgilor meridionali se incheie cu caderea Troiei. De aici, incolo tot ce mai aflam despre acesti pelasgi din jurul Marii Egee sunt numai simple amintiri de resturi mici si imprastiate, silite de inamici lor sa emigreze din o tara in alta, spre a-si cauta o noua patrie.
Pentru poporul grecesc, pelasgii erau cei mai vechi oameni de pe Pamant. Rasa lor li se parea atat de arhaica, atat de superioara in conceptiuni, puternica in vointa si in fapte, atat de nobila in moravuri incat traditiunile si poemele grecesti atribuiau tuturor pelasgilor epitetul de „divini”, dioi, adeca oameni cu calitati supranaturale, asemenea zeilor, un nume, ce ei intru adevar l-au meritat prin darurile lor fizice si morale. Grecii isi perduse de mult traditiunea, cand, cum, si de unde au venit ei in tinuturile Eladei; insa, ei aveau o traditiune ca inainte de dansii, a domnit peste pamantul ocupat de ei un alt popor, care a desecat mlastiniile, a scurs lacurile, a dat cursuri noi raurilor, a taiat muntii, a impreunat marile, a arat sesurile, a intemeiat orase, sate si cetati, a avut o religiune inaltatoare, a ridicat altare si temple zeilor si ca acestia au fost pelasgii.
Dupa vechile traditiuni grecesti, pelagii locuise in partile Greciei inca inainte de cele doua diluvii legendare ce se varsase peste Attica, Beotia si Tessalia, unul in timpul regelui Ogyges si altul in timpurile lui Deucalion. Ei domnise asadar peste continentul grecesc inca inainte de timpurile lui Noe.
Un ram al poporului pelasg, arcazii, ce locuiau pe culmile si vaile din centrul Peloponesului, aveau traditiunea ca dansii au fost pe pamant inca inainte de ce Luna ar fi aparut pe ceriu. Cu privire la aceasta importanta traditiune, scoliastul lui Apolloniu Rhodiu se exprima astfel: „Se pare ca arcazii au existat inca inainte de Luna, dupa cum scrie Eudoxus in scrierea sa Periodos. Iar Theodor scrie ca Luna a aparut pe ceriu cu putin inainte de razboiul lui Hercule cu Gigantii. Tot astfel ne spun Aristo din Chios si Dionysiu din Chalcida in cartile lor despre Origini”.
In fine Ephor, unul dintre scrutatorii cei mai diligenti ai antichitatii si istoric iubitoriu de adevar, care traise in seculul al V-lea i.e.n. scrie: Traditiunea ne spune ca pelasgii au fost cei mai stravechi cari au domnit peste Grecia.
Arcazii, popor pastoral si viteaz, cei mai vechi locuitori in Elada, povesteau, dupa cum ne spune Pausania, ca cel dintai om nascut pe Pamant a fost Pelasg, un barbat care se distingea prin marimea, prin puterea si frumusetea figurei sale si care intrecea pe toti ceilalti muritori prin facultatile spiritului sau; ca acest Pelasg, dupa ce a inceput sa domeneasca, a fost cel dintai care a invatat pe oameni sa-si construiasca colibe (calybas), spre a se apara de incomoditatile frigului, ale ploilor si caldurilor; ca el a invatat pe oameni sa-si faca haine din piei de oaie, le-a interzis ca sa se nutreasca si mai departe cu frunze, cu buruieni si radacini, din cari unele erau periculoase sanatatii; ca el a invatat pe oameni ca sa nu mai manance tot feliu de ghinda, ci numai ghinda de fag.
Iar vechiul poet epic Asiu scrie despre acest Pelasg ca el a fost nascut din „pamantul cel negru”, pe culmile cele mai inalte ale muntilor, ca sa fie incepatoriul genului muritoriu.
Un alt reprezentant al vechii civilizatiuni pelasge a fost divinul Prometheu, fiul lui Iapet, fiul Gaaei.
Poetul Eschyl, in una dintre cele mai frumoase lucrari ale sale, ne infatiseaza pe Prometheu expunand singur beneficiile ce le-a adus dansul omenimii.
„Acesti oameni”, zice Prometheu, „nu cunosteau nici arta cum sa construiasca case de caramizi la lumina Soarelui, nici modul cums alucreze lemnele, ci locuiau pe sub pamant in ascunsurile cele intunecate ale cavbernelor, intocmai ca furnicile cele agile; ei nu aveau nici un semn sigur ca sa cunoasca cand are sa fie iarna, cand are sa soseasca primavara, anutimpul floriilor, cand are sa fie vara, anutimpul fructelor, ci duceau o viata de pe o zi pe alta, lipsiti de orice cunostinte, pana cand eu i-am invatat sa cunoasca rasaritul stelelor si apusul lor, lucruri de altminterea greu de insemnat. Afara de acestea eu i-am invatat sistemul tuturor stiintelor utile; eu am aflat modul de scriere su cum oamenii pot sa tina in minte toate stiintele; eu, cel dintai am prins in jug animalele, ce pot servi la transporturi. Nime altul decat eu singur am inventat corabiile cu panze, ca oamenii sa poata trece peste mare… Mai inainte, daca se intampla ca cineva sa se bolnaveasca, el murea din lipsa mijloacelor de vindecare, pana cand eu le-am aratat cum au sa compuna medicamentele si cum se pot vindeca de toate boalele; eu am introdus diferite moduri de a cunoaste viitorul… si, in fine, cine poate sa afirme ca ar fi aflat mai inainte de mine lucrurile cele folositoare ascunse sub pamant, cum sunt arama, ferul, argintul si aurul?”
Pelasg si Prometheu sunt personificarea vechii culturi pelasge si tot ce ne spun traditiunile ca a inventat, ori ca a creat spiritul lor, apartine intregului popor.
De asemenea, exista in Creta o veche traditiune ca dactylii si corybantii, triburi pelasge, au fost cei dintai in aceasta insula care au invatat pe oameni sa formeze turme de oi, sa domesticeasca si alte genuri de animale, porci, capre, vite, cai; ca ei au invatat pe oameni maiestria de a arunca cu lancea (arma nationala pelasga) si de a trai in societate comuna; ca ei, cu deosebire, au fost autorii bunei intelegeri, a vietii regulate si cumpatate.
Datele ce le aveau despre istoria veche a pelasgilor corespund pe deplin cu faptele ce ni le procura arheologia din epoca neolitica.
Cu deosebire, se spunea despre arcazi ca dansii au fost cei dintai cari au facut sacrificii si ceremonii religioase zeilor.
Grecii, de alta parte, dupa cum stim, imprumutase principalele lor divinitati de la pelasgi.
Joe cel vechi al romanilor purta in mana o peatra in loc de fulgere si pe acest Jupiter Lapis, romanii faceau cele mai obligatoare si mai solemne juraminte ale lor. Chiar si in ritualul juramintelor, romanii pastrara pana tarziu uzul petrilor sfinte de silex.
Din punct de vedere istoric, asadar, faptul este pozitiv.
Inainte de civilizatiunea greaca si egipteana, o civilizatiune mult mai veche se revarsase asupra Europei. Aceasta a fost civilizatiunea morala si materiala a rasei pelasge si care a deschis un vast camp de activitate genului omenesc. Influientele acestei culturi pelasge au fost decisive pentru soarta muritorilor pe acest pamant.
Pelasgii au fost adevaratii fundatori ai starii noastre actuale.
(Dacia Preistorica, Nicolae Densusianu, editura Obiectiv Craiova, Eugen Delcea)
Sursa: danlupu.wordpress.com
1. Vechimea rasei pelasge
Inca inainte de emigratiunea grecilor, celtilor si a germanilor din tinuturile Europei, cea mai mare parte a acestui continent era ocupata de o rasa de oameni veniti din Asia, pe cari autorii grecesti ii numeau, in general, pelasgi si turseni ( N. edit: Nicolae Densusianu ramane tributar opiniei generale, specifica vremii si inca enuntata si in sec XXI, influentata de Vechiul Testament iudaic, ca Omenirea ar fi aparut in Orientul Apropiat. Cu toate acestea, pe tot parcursul lucrarii, Nicolae Densusianu dovedeste ca Romania actuala (Dacia) a fost centrul de difuzare a civilizatiei umane)
Acesti pelasgi formase, in timpurile anteelene, cel mai intins, mai puternic si mai remarcabil popor, o natiune, care din punct de vedere moral si material, a schimbat fata Europei arhaice.
Pelasgii ne apar in fruntea tuturor traditiunilor istorice, nu numai in Elada si in Italia, dar si in regiunile din nordul Dunarii si ale Marii Negre, in Asia Mica, in Asyria si in Egipet. Ei reprezinta tipul originar al popoarelor asa numite arice, care a introdus in Europa cele dintai beneficii ale civilizatiunii.
Urmele extensiunii lor etnografice, precum si alte activitatii lor industriale, le mai aflam si astazi pe cele trei continente ale lumii vechi; incepand din muntii Norvegiei pana in pustiurile Saharei, de la izvoarele raurilor Araxe si Oxus pana la oceanul Atlantic.
Insa, istoria lor politica si istoria civilizatiunii lor sunt acoperite de intunericul vechimii.
Putinele date, ce ne-au ramas asupra pelasgilor, ne infatiseaza pe acest mare si admirabil popor numai in ultimul period al istoriei sale, atunci cand independenta sa politica era distrusa aproape peste tot locul si cand numele sau incepe sa dispara. Din nefericire, insa, chiar si aceste putine date, fragmentare, ce ne-a ramas despre pelasgi, ne sunt transmise de cei cari i-au cucerit, i-au distrus, i-au persecutat, i-au imprastiat si, in urma, i-au calumniat. Astfel ca istoria epocei lor de inflorire, de putere si de extensiune teritoriala in Europa, Asia si Africa, istoria imperiilor si institutiunilor sale, a artelor si industriei lor, a ramas inmormantata. Cu deosebire, istoria politica a pelasgilor meridionali se incheie cu caderea Troiei. De aici, incolo tot ce mai aflam despre acesti pelasgi din jurul Marii Egee sunt numai simple amintiri de resturi mici si imprastiate, silite de inamici lor sa emigreze din o tara in alta, spre a-si cauta o noua patrie.
Pentru poporul grecesc, pelasgii erau cei mai vechi oameni de pe Pamant. Rasa lor li se parea atat de arhaica, atat de superioara in conceptiuni, puternica in vointa si in fapte, atat de nobila in moravuri incat traditiunile si poemele grecesti atribuiau tuturor pelasgilor epitetul de „divini”, dioi, adeca oameni cu calitati supranaturale, asemenea zeilor, un nume, ce ei intru adevar l-au meritat prin darurile lor fizice si morale. Grecii isi perduse de mult traditiunea, cand, cum, si de unde au venit ei in tinuturile Eladei; insa, ei aveau o traditiune ca inainte de dansii, a domnit peste pamantul ocupat de ei un alt popor, care a desecat mlastiniile, a scurs lacurile, a dat cursuri noi raurilor, a taiat muntii, a impreunat marile, a arat sesurile, a intemeiat orase, sate si cetati, a avut o religiune inaltatoare, a ridicat altare si temple zeilor si ca acestia au fost pelasgii.
Dupa vechile traditiuni grecesti, pelagii locuise in partile Greciei inca inainte de cele doua diluvii legendare ce se varsase peste Attica, Beotia si Tessalia, unul in timpul regelui Ogyges si altul in timpurile lui Deucalion. Ei domnise asadar peste continentul grecesc inca inainte de timpurile lui Noe.
Un ram al poporului pelasg, arcazii, ce locuiau pe culmile si vaile din centrul Peloponesului, aveau traditiunea ca dansii au fost pe pamant inca inainte de ce Luna ar fi aparut pe ceriu. Cu privire la aceasta importanta traditiune, scoliastul lui Apolloniu Rhodiu se exprima astfel: „Se pare ca arcazii au existat inca inainte de Luna, dupa cum scrie Eudoxus in scrierea sa Periodos. Iar Theodor scrie ca Luna a aparut pe ceriu cu putin inainte de razboiul lui Hercule cu Gigantii. Tot astfel ne spun Aristo din Chios si Dionysiu din Chalcida in cartile lor despre Origini”.
In fine Ephor, unul dintre scrutatorii cei mai diligenti ai antichitatii si istoric iubitoriu de adevar, care traise in seculul al V-lea i.e.n. scrie: Traditiunea ne spune ca pelasgii au fost cei mai stravechi cari au domnit peste Grecia.
2. Civilizatiunea preistorica a rasei pelasge
Cand pelasgii aparura pentru prima oara pe pamantul Eladei, ei nu aflara aci, dupa cum ne spun traditiunile, decat o populatiune rara si salbatica, risipita prin munti si paduri, traind in caverne, fara societate, fara legi, fara religiune si fara cunostinte utile.Arcazii, popor pastoral si viteaz, cei mai vechi locuitori in Elada, povesteau, dupa cum ne spune Pausania, ca cel dintai om nascut pe Pamant a fost Pelasg, un barbat care se distingea prin marimea, prin puterea si frumusetea figurei sale si care intrecea pe toti ceilalti muritori prin facultatile spiritului sau; ca acest Pelasg, dupa ce a inceput sa domeneasca, a fost cel dintai care a invatat pe oameni sa-si construiasca colibe (calybas), spre a se apara de incomoditatile frigului, ale ploilor si caldurilor; ca el a invatat pe oameni sa-si faca haine din piei de oaie, le-a interzis ca sa se nutreasca si mai departe cu frunze, cu buruieni si radacini, din cari unele erau periculoase sanatatii; ca el a invatat pe oameni ca sa nu mai manance tot feliu de ghinda, ci numai ghinda de fag.
Iar vechiul poet epic Asiu scrie despre acest Pelasg ca el a fost nascut din „pamantul cel negru”, pe culmile cele mai inalte ale muntilor, ca sa fie incepatoriul genului muritoriu.
Un alt reprezentant al vechii civilizatiuni pelasge a fost divinul Prometheu, fiul lui Iapet, fiul Gaaei.
Poetul Eschyl, in una dintre cele mai frumoase lucrari ale sale, ne infatiseaza pe Prometheu expunand singur beneficiile ce le-a adus dansul omenimii.
„Acesti oameni”, zice Prometheu, „nu cunosteau nici arta cum sa construiasca case de caramizi la lumina Soarelui, nici modul cums alucreze lemnele, ci locuiau pe sub pamant in ascunsurile cele intunecate ale cavbernelor, intocmai ca furnicile cele agile; ei nu aveau nici un semn sigur ca sa cunoasca cand are sa fie iarna, cand are sa soseasca primavara, anutimpul floriilor, cand are sa fie vara, anutimpul fructelor, ci duceau o viata de pe o zi pe alta, lipsiti de orice cunostinte, pana cand eu i-am invatat sa cunoasca rasaritul stelelor si apusul lor, lucruri de altminterea greu de insemnat. Afara de acestea eu i-am invatat sistemul tuturor stiintelor utile; eu am aflat modul de scriere su cum oamenii pot sa tina in minte toate stiintele; eu, cel dintai am prins in jug animalele, ce pot servi la transporturi. Nime altul decat eu singur am inventat corabiile cu panze, ca oamenii sa poata trece peste mare… Mai inainte, daca se intampla ca cineva sa se bolnaveasca, el murea din lipsa mijloacelor de vindecare, pana cand eu le-am aratat cum au sa compuna medicamentele si cum se pot vindeca de toate boalele; eu am introdus diferite moduri de a cunoaste viitorul… si, in fine, cine poate sa afirme ca ar fi aflat mai inainte de mine lucrurile cele folositoare ascunse sub pamant, cum sunt arama, ferul, argintul si aurul?”
Pelasg si Prometheu sunt personificarea vechii culturi pelasge si tot ce ne spun traditiunile ca a inventat, ori ca a creat spiritul lor, apartine intregului popor.
De asemenea, exista in Creta o veche traditiune ca dactylii si corybantii, triburi pelasge, au fost cei dintai in aceasta insula care au invatat pe oameni sa formeze turme de oi, sa domesticeasca si alte genuri de animale, porci, capre, vite, cai; ca ei au invatat pe oameni maiestria de a arunca cu lancea (arma nationala pelasga) si de a trai in societate comuna; ca ei, cu deosebire, au fost autorii bunei intelegeri, a vietii regulate si cumpatate.
Datele ce le aveau despre istoria veche a pelasgilor corespund pe deplin cu faptele ce ni le procura arheologia din epoca neolitica.
Pelasgii ne apar, dupa vechile traditiuni istorice, ca una si aceeasi populatiune cu neoliticii, cari introduc in Europa cele dintai elemente ale civilizatiunii, animalele domestice, cultura cerealelor si o arta industriala mai progresata. Chiar si olaria neolitica poarta semne de ornamentatiune si simboale mistice pelasge.
Tot astfel, traditiunile grecesti atribuie pelasgilor cel dintai cult al zeilor in Europa.Cu deosebire, se spunea despre arcazi ca dansii au fost cei dintai cari au facut sacrificii si ceremonii religioase zeilor.
Grecii, de alta parte, dupa cum stim, imprumutase principalele lor divinitati de la pelasgi.
Joe cel vechi al romanilor purta in mana o peatra in loc de fulgere si pe acest Jupiter Lapis, romanii faceau cele mai obligatoare si mai solemne juraminte ale lor. Chiar si in ritualul juramintelor, romanii pastrara pana tarziu uzul petrilor sfinte de silex.
Din punct de vedere istoric, asadar, faptul este pozitiv.
Inainte de civilizatiunea greaca si egipteana, o civilizatiune mult mai veche se revarsase asupra Europei. Aceasta a fost civilizatiunea morala si materiala a rasei pelasge si care a deschis un vast camp de activitate genului omenesc. Influientele acestei culturi pelasge au fost decisive pentru soarta muritorilor pe acest pamant.
Pelasgii au fost adevaratii fundatori ai starii noastre actuale.
(Dacia Preistorica, Nicolae Densusianu, editura Obiectiv Craiova, Eugen Delcea)
Sursa: danlupu.wordpress.com
30 mar. 2010
Ce ne facem cu protocronistii, cu hiperboreenii si pelasgii?
Un nefericit si trist baiat (cel din poza) si-a facut un blog. Acolo si-a zis el ca trebuie sa ia pozitie. Am postat imaginea ca sa vedeti si cine poate sustine ceea ce urmeaza, pe blogul sau. Iata un fragment din mizerie, intitulata sfasietor
Ce ne facem cu protocronistii cu hiperboreenii si pelasgii
*"Această "ştiinţă oficială", făcută de "savanţi oficiali" de o aroganţă care merită pumni şi de o îngustime de minte inimaginabilă, trebuie nu combătută (fiindcă EI au întotdeauna răspuns la toate, când şi dacă îi întrebi), ci ignorată. Nu trebuie să le citim cărţile şi articolele (decât dacă putem găsi în ele ceva contradicţii, reale sau nu, ori mărturisiri de neştiinţă), care de altfel sunt grozav de plicticoase, scrise într-o limbă de lemn, pline de note de subsol şi lipsite de imaginaţie şi de anvergură. Şi mai ales nu trebuie niciodată consultaţi. Ei nu sunt dintre ai noştri, ei nu visează ca noi la trecutul absolut fantastic şi universal al neamului pan-daco-român (pe care noi îl ştim cu sufletul!, indiferent de argumente, surse etc.) şi de aceea trebuie să vedem în ei nişte duşmani. Aceşti aşa-zişi istorici, susţin nişte inepţii de-a dreptul rizibile (cum că ne-am trage din romani, ori că de la daci nu s-a păstrat nimic scris -- ba, culmea! că ei nici n-ar fi folosit scrierea!) --, că dacii ar fi trăit doar pe teritoriul de azi al României, cu unele extensii în sud şi câteva enclave în nord-vest şi est (când ştim că în realitate ei ocupau probabil cea mai mare parte a Europei şi a Asiei, inclusiv insulele Mediteranei, dar n-ar fi deloc de mirare dacă i-am găsi la originea locuitorii Insulei Paştilor)"Citat de aici
Pentru cine nu stie, protocronismul e un curent pseudo-istoric, nationalist si fundamentalist, izvorat din complexul de inferioritate al unora fata de civilizatiile si culturile mai complexe decat a noastra si care incearca prin argumente profund nestiintifice, sa explice superioritatea totala a stramosilor nostrii indepartati. In aproape totalitatea lor, protocronistii nu sunt istorici, ignora orice scrieri istorice care nu le confirma teoriile sau scot din context anumite idei ale unor istorici. In general ii dispretuiesc pe istorici si arheologi pe care ii denumesc gunoaie, aserviti ai puteriilor straine de neam, mincinosi, ascunzatori ai adevarului, ticalosi. Mania conspiratiilor are un teren fertil printre protocronisti. Ei spun ca istoria noastra adevarata nu este cunoscuta pentru CA NU SE DORESTE ACEST LUCRU... De catre cine? De catre EI, dusmanii neamului nostru...Ei spun ca exista conspiratii care incerca sa ascunda sau sa minimalizeze rolul extrem de important jucat de stramosii nostrii in civilizarea tuturor neamurilor Europei si ale Orientului. Practic orice teorie protocronista poate fi desfiintata in cateva minute de orice om cat de cat citit si cu o gandire logica. Insa are mare succes la adolescentii si tinerii in cautare a unei identitati, frustrati de prezentul incert si deprimant si care gasesc in ideile apartenentei la un popor cu un trecut mai mult decat glorios (desi prezentul e mizerabil) o "barca de salvare" si un motiv de mandrie.
deea subliminala e ca " da, e de tot rahatul acest prezent; ticalosie, prostie, coruptie, incompetenta, lasitate. Dar stramosii nostrii au fost poporul primordial care a civilizat inca din vremuri imemoriale toate marile culturi: indienii, sumerienii, egiptenii, grecii si romanii. Iar eu sunt urmasul acestor oameni mandri, drepti, de-o inteligenta si o cultura mai mult decat superioara si asta ma face sa ma simt mai bine".
Protocronismul are succes la unii oameni religiosi (cu care are multe asemanari gen "Crede si nu cerceta"), la semidocti, la cei pasionati de ezoterism, parapsihologie, la ciudati, la unii oameni trecuti de 60 ani si evident la cei extrem de nationalisti.
Restul aici http://art-historia.blogspot.com/ (nu postez mai mult, ca as spurca prea mult locul).
Asa, repede, inainte sa incep, vezi ca lipsesc o virgula si un semn de intrebare din titlu. Poate vei prinde pana la urma secretele limbii scrise, te ajut si eu cum pot.
In primul rand, iti multumesc, draga raducu, ca olteanu nu pot sa-ti spun, ar fi o jignire pentru olteni, pentru apelul disperat la starpirea de pe fata pamantului a oricarui om care are alte idei decat tine. Ce ne facem???? Urat, foarte urat, nu mai poti dormi noaptea, nu-i asa? "Ciudatii", aia care nu gandesc cum trebuie, se inmultesc... Trebuie facut ceva!
Cu durere, disimulata, desigur, in suflet, te anunt ca dezinformezi cras. Citatul cu care-ti incepi postarea nu apartine nici unui, cum sa-i spun, hai sa te fac fericit, "tracoman". El este precedat de: "În ultimii 25-30 de ani a luat avânt un curent pseudo-ştiinţific -- numit impropriu tracomanic, protocronist ori panromânist pentru că nu există un termen adecvat şi precis pentru a-l desemna -- care vrea să rescrie ori să reinterpreteze fenomenele care ţin de originile poporului român. Eu îl voi numi în continuare pan-daco-românism. E mai pompos şi are şi conotaţii ascunse: pan înseamnă "tot" în greacă, dar "stăpân" în poloneză! Susţinătorii acestui curent sunt în marea lor majoritate oameni cumsecade, de cele mai diverse şi onorabile profesii, cei mai mulţi fiind specialişti cu studii superioare în diverse domenii dar, ca un făcut!, nu foarte cunoscuţi în domeniile lor (cu minime excepţii). Dacă eu, specialist frustrat, aş fi unul din aceşti pan-daco-românişti convinşi şi ofensivi, aş expune astfel crezurile celor din care fac şi eu parte: *..." Acest specialist uita sa-si dea numele si foloseste termenul de pan -daco-romanism, care e doar in capul lui. De asemenea, n-ar trebui ca tocmai el sa foloseasca termenul de "frustrat", avand in vedere cum scrie textul respectiv; e cam ipocrit, sa stii. Poate o fi chiar Saul Bellow care are un citat ce precede textul respectiv: "Se poate investi o grămadă de intelingenţă (in te ling enta....) în prostie, atunci când există o adâncă nevoie de iluzie". Ar fi trebuit, totusi, sa fi investit postatorul cel frustrat putina inteligenta in uzul limbii romane. Ii transmitem, cu compasiune, ca se scrie "inteligenta", fara "lins", dar nu stiu daca se va putea desprinde de niste obsesii clar compulsive. Asa ca mananci rahat din secunda unu.
Acum sa vorbim de protocronism ( PROTOCRONÍSM s.n. Curent de idei preocupat să pună în valoare elementele de prioritate în afirmarea unei idei, a unei teme etc. în istoria culturii (la nivel universal). – Proto- + [sin]cronism. ), sustinut in "aproape totalitatea lor" de gospodine obsedate de telechinezie, spui tu. Hai sa-ti dau un exemplu mai recent de discurs al unor astfel de "casnice": "Before the glory that was Greece and Rome, even before the first cities of Mesopotamia or temples along the Nile, there lived in the Lower Danube Valley and the Balkan foothills people who were ahead of their time in art, technology and long-distance trade." - "Înaintea gloriei care a fost Grecia şi Roma, înainte chiar de primele oraşe ale Mesopotaniei sau a templelor de-a lungul Nilului, au trăit în valea de jos a Dunării şi la poalele Balcanilor oameni care au fost primii în artă, tehnologie şi comerţ la mare distanţă". "Zuzele" care au spus asta lucreaza la The New York Times si citeaza pe Dr. Anthony, professor of anthropology at Hartwick College in Oneonta, N.Y., and author of “The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World.” care includes essays by experts from Britain, France, Germany, the United States and the countries where the culture existed; Roger S. Bagnall, director of the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at New York University, specialist in Egyptian archaeology. Deci, o serie de experti si specialisti din S.U.A., Marea Britanie, Franta si Germania sustin protocronismul civilizatiei din zona Dunarii de Jos si a Balcanilor, iar articolul este promovat de cel mai prestigios ziar din America. Foarte urat, foarte urat!!! Ce ne facem cu astia!!!! Valeuuuuu!!! Asadar, inca o lingurita. Pofta buna!
"Practic orice teorie protocronista poate fi desfiintata in cateva minute de orice om cat de cat citit si cu o gandire logica." Daca poti sa demontezi in cateva minute, cu gandirea ta logica si cultivata indelung in exercitiul lecturii, acest protocronism agresiv, extremist si foarte rau, de ce nu o faci? Tot ce faci tu este exact ceea ce mananci rahat ca am face noi. Arunci cu invective, citezi 3 sau 4 autori, deci foarte putine surse si cam atat. Asta e tot? Atat ai? Penibil.
Folosesti concepte inepte, raducule. Unul ar fi "national-comunist". Ce o avea nationalismul cu ideologia patriei universale, nu stiu.
Apoi faci trimiteri la niste texte, parafrazate scurt, pe care nu le gasesc, trist. Oricum retin ca Zoe Petre este autoarea unuia dintre ele... Superb, bravo!
Mai dai un link catre un grec, Xenopol, si te mai lauzi cu-n pretenar, Vladimir... Apropos, te-ai enervat?:) Ce spume o sa faci, cand o sa citesti asta: "Dacii n-au acceptat niciodată stăpânirea romană..." V. Parvan. Foarte urat, alt deranjat care a spus ca romanii n-au prea prins pe aici, nu? Ah, am uitat, l-ai citat ca pion de baza impotriva dacismului...
"Saracia izvoarelor scrise si arheologice lor da nastere la speculatii nesfarsite care mai de care mai stupide. Daca tracii sud dunareni, celtii, scitii (fara sa mai vorbim de greci si romani) au lasat urme bogate, in multe alte tari, urmele geto-dacice par total nespectaculoase. Desi exista faimoasele tezaure din sec 4-3 i.Chr cat si cele din epoca clasica gasite de braconierii arheologici."
Pai mersi, iti prezint eu o scurta poveste despre documente disparute in mod obscur, in anumite cazuri doar capitolele despre daci din anumite lucrari. Asta in legatura cu sursele scrise. In legatura cu cele arheologice, ramane sa-i intrebi tu pe arheologii romani de ce sapa mai mult braconierii, cum ti-a scapat, decat ei.
Mai mentionezi si faptul ca, daca ni te adresezi, te vom jigni. Pai asa ni te adresezi, cu o serie de jigniri gratuite? Stiam eu de tine pana acum? Muream eu de grija ta? Nu, tu m-ai contactat pe mine. Nu-i nimic, baiatule. Pana acum alesesem sa nu-i bag in seama pe cei ca tine, (vreo cinci incluzandu-te pe tine, din 15.000 de vizite pe blog si pe youtube) cu mici scapari, desigur, cauzate de gradul lor ridicat de nesimtire. Iata ca si-n cazul tau am facut o exceptie, frustratule. As putea sa mai continui, dar, deocamdata, ajunge.
Atlantis in the Black Sea
INTRODUCTION
We are presenting the theory, that Atlantis was a late stone age (Neolithic or Chalcolithic) settlement in today’s northwest of the Black Sea. It was drowned 5510 BC when the ocean flooded the freshwater lake that existed before the Black Sea.
We published this theory in our book that was issued June 2004. This excerpt is meant to give an overview; however, it cannot cover all parts in detail.
GEOLOGY
In 1997 American Marine-Geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan published the scientific evidence, that today’s Black Sea used to be a freshwater-lake. Its shoreline then was approximately 350 feet below today’s level of the global ocean. By dating fresh- and saltwater shells with the C14 method they found, that the salinity of the lake changed rapidly from fresh to salty around 5500 BC. They call this Noah’s Flood and we are convinced that this interpretation is true.
The reason for this change is the increase of the level of the global ocean since the end of the last ice age, which peaked 20.000 BC. Then the level was 350 feet lower than today. Even 5500 BC when the flood happened, the level was still 45 feet lower. Due to the steady increase at some point in time the former land connection between Europe and Asia at today’s Bosporus (at the city of Istanbul) had to break and release the salt water of the Mediterranen/Marmara Sea into the Black Sea basin with its lower shoreline.
From 1999 to 2003 the theory presented by Pitman/Ryan was challenged severely by a group of international scientists. However, in 2004 Bulgarian Marine-Geologists Petko Dimitrov and Dimitar Dimitrov published the result of their studies under the Black Sea Research Program “Noah”: They are convinced that the flood, a “geocatastrophic event” actually happened and that the dates collected by Pitman/Ryan are correctly dated. This conclusion is based on the examination of sediments rather than mollusks.
In addition, on an earlier expedition with a submarine at the former shoreline they found what will probably be recorded in human history as “Noah’s plate”: An object made from sandstone with early letters on it. Currently, scientists are very reluctant to accept this finding; however, leading scientists have dated the plate as being Neolithic and also reviewed the signs, which seem to be in line with Old European Writing starting around 5500 BC on the Balkan Peninsula.
ARCHAEOLOGY
… before the Flood
The official opinion is that first settlers (7000 BC) sailed from Turkey through the Aegean Sea to Greece (Sesklo Culture; 6400 BC) and moved from there to Thracia (Karanovo Culture; today Turkey/Bulgaria), to the middle Danube region (Starcevo-Koeroes-Cris Culture 6200 BC, over the Balkan Mountains) and to the Dnepr region (also 6200 BC, over the South and North Carpathian Mountains).
Obviously, this official doctrine has to be reviewed under the new evidence. Even for the late Bronze Age Greece it was an adventure to cross the Aegean Sea and settlements obviously used to stretch alongside waters but not over mountains. Under the new evidence the settlers moved primarily to the north along the coast of the freshwater lake (today’s Black Sea): In the great basin in the northwest they found favorable climatic condition, loess soils and lots of rivers. Here is the center of early Neolithic cultures, others call it “Civilization X”, and we call it Atlantis.
The Neolithic development in Europe started from here around 6500 BC and moved up the rivers of Danube and Dnepr. This culture was drowned with Noah’s Flood 5500 BC and we are convinced that this culture also created the Atlantis saga.
… after the Flood
After such a geocatstrophic event - what would have to be expected? A waive of migration in all directions!
In Europe, Neolithic Culture dwelled on the Balkans for almost 1000 years. The year 5500 BC is the year of the Neolithic Diaspora in Europe: Linear Band Ceramics, a culture known through certain ornaments on their ceramics, spread through Europe within centuries, reaching Switzerland no later than 5300 BC and covering the area from the Paris Basin to the Ural Mountains before 5000 BC. In today’s Serbia and Romania, the Vinca-Culture establishes 5500 BC. This culture is even more developed and already had a complex system of writing.
For Egypt, the first Neolithic settlements start at 5500 BC, according to newest evidence. However, here we are confronted with a problem: From 5500 BC to 3000 BC the level of the World Ocean rises another 45 feet. Early cities in the Delta of the river Nile have to be expected well below the surface and well within ground waters. This is the reason, why the Egyptian Culture seems to rise from virtually out of nothing around 3500-3000 BC: Only the traces at the very rim, in the desert and in oases, have been found. The cities are buried under today’s Delta. We are convinced that American Geologist Robert Schoch is absolutely right to date the Sphinx no later than 5000 BC.
Mesopotamia: The fist settlements here have been proven to start at 5000 BC. This gap of 500 years can very well be explained. First of all, the story of the Tower of Babel gives us a hint: Before settling in Mesopotamia, refugees built a city in Eastern Anatolia; Mesopotamia was not really a good place to live: Natural resources are scarce and artificial irrigation has to be developed in order to be able to cope with unsteady waters. On the other hand: The Gulf of Persia used to be a real paradise at that time - before it was drowned by the water of the Indian Sea through the Strait of Hormuz and buried by the sediments of the rivers Euphrat and Tigris…
Overall, it is well known that the Indo-European Language was first developed in the region of the Black Sea. Scientists are fighting whether in the North, the South or the West - and they are not sure when exactly this language spread over the whole area from Western Europe to India. We are convinced that this language was spread over a wide region with the Great Flood that destroyed Atlantis, the prosperous Neolithic Center in today’s Black Sea. Indeed, review of genetic code confirms that the centre of a big waive of migrations is located around (exactly: in!) the Black Sea.
EARLY WRITING
This section could very well be put together with the spread of language and the findings in the genetic code, since its spread basically follows the same rules and logic. However, the obvious evidence in this area is widely ignored, while much attention and acceptance is given to speech and genetics. In principal, the spread of writing is indispensabley linked directly with speech and genetics.
When the first letters were found in the Balkan region, scientists assumed they were originally brought over by colonists from Babylon. There was compelling evidence, that the writing systems were similar: As a matter of fact, many of the letters seemed to be identical.
Later it was found out, that the Old European Writing had to be dated no later than 5500 BC, which made it 2000 years older than the first signs in Mesopotamia. Since then, archaeology chose to completely ignore this fact, which radically contradicted the well settled doctrine. Especially thanks to American scientist Marija Gimbutas and German scientist Harald Haarmann, the existence of such an early writing system in Europe is known and widely accepted. You can find an example of the Old European Writing/Vinca-Font here.
For three reasons early writing in Europe is important:
First of all, it helps to answer the question “When did Atlantis exist?” We are convinced that the destruction of Atlantis happened before 3000 BC: The Egyptians had a writing and a comprehensive dating system since around that date. Had Atlantis submerged after that date, the Egyptian Priest would have been able to say exactly when and exactly where. But Sonchis clearly sets the event long before the first dynasty of pharaohs. On the other hand, such a story with all its details cannot be transported over time without a writing system. Atlantis existed before 3000 BC; it had to exist not much earlier than the earliest writing system on the other hand. Consequently, we receive a time frame for the existence of Atlantis: 6000-3000 BC.
Secondly, the following question can be answered: “How could the saga of Atlantis be transported so far over time?” The answer is: The first refugees to Egypt already had a writing system. As a matter of fact, the Egyptian Priest was citing a primary source. This is why the saga is - as we will provide later in our catalogue - correct in so many details. Just recently German Archaeologist Guenther Dreyer re-dated the first Egyptian writing: He found that already 3400 BC a complete set of phonetic writing existed, making Egyptian Writing older than the Writing of Sumer. This had to be expected and we expect a further shift of this timeline. Unfortunately, the oldest and most abundant findings are covered by water and sediments in the Delta of the Nile.
Finally, early writing helps to answer the question “Where did Atlantis exist?” It is explicitly stated that Atlantis used to have a writing system. This also has to be expected from the level of development, especially of trade, as it has been described. Now, when the first known writing can be found at the middle Danube region, it is to assume that it was brought by refugees from Atlantis, the Neolithic center in the Black Sea, upwards on their way through Europe.
Overall, archaeologists are mistaken when they assume trade and exchange between cultures based on similar signs and writings. As a matter of fact, there is a common source in the same way as in speech or genetics.
ATLANTIS CATALOGUE
In general, people tend to put together a list of criteria, check whether they are fulfilled and come to the conclusion that Atlantis is where they assumed it to be. On the other hand, a catalogue is a good mean to give a brief overview. Here is our interpretation in short:
dark blue: world ocean, early freshwater lake
light blue: area flooded 5510 BC
red dotted line: area controlled by Atlantis
“Schlangeninsel” red dot: probable location of island/capital Atlantis
Topography
The Atlantic Sea means the Black Sea: This Sea used to be in-naviable due to methane and hydrosulfide gas resulting from the biological death of the sea as a consequence of inflowing saltwater into the freshwater lake. Rising gas bubbles lead a ship to immediately sink because the relative density of water with bubbles rapidly deteriorates. The methane gas is stored within the sediments at the bottom of the sea. The early Greece still called the sea “inhospitable sea”.
The Atlantic Ocean itself received its name from a misled location of Atlantis; consequently, this name does not give a clue to the location. The Greek word for sea, pontos, alone means the Black Sea. In the same way the Indo-European word for sea, mare (Latin), morje (Russian), meer (German), meru (Indian) originally means the Black Sea. Finally, if one takes a look at the global map of any culture in this region, Indian, Egypt, even antique Greece, the Black Sea is always in the middle (example1 example2)!
The area is the basin in the northwest of the Black Sea. The area from Danube River to Don River and from Dneporopetrowsk to the former shoreline coincides with the size mentioned in the saga. As described, the area is slightly sloped towards the Black Sea rim.
The mountains in the north with their rich settlements mean the Carpathian Mountains with the archaeologically proven settlements of Starcevo-Koeroes-Cris. Wood, salt, gold, silver, probably copper and certainly obsidian (see below) were transported towards Atlantis via the Alt and Danube rivers. The location in the northwest coincides with the steady wind out of northwest.
It is supposed that Atlantis was an island. This is partly correct, partly not: The absolute center actually was an island with channels/rivers on all sides. The whole area was not an island. From the context it is clear that the word island is used in two different meanings: To describe the island in the middle of the capital and the country Atlantis itself. Swiss archaeologist Eberhard Zangger found out, that the Egypt Hieroglyph means both: Island and foreign country.
The Pillars of Hercules are identical with the Strait of Bosporus. As a matter of fact, the primary source did not say anything about the Strait of Gibraltar. First of all, the Pillars of Hercules are probably misinterpreted by the Egyptian Priest. We suppose that the primary source tells something about a strait in the west. Further, the Strait of Gibraltar received the name later through re-interpretation. In the beginning, the Strait of Bosporus was identified with this name. Later, around 2000 BC the antique Greece culture moved towards its today location from their area north of the Black Sea. Whereas the original Pillars of Hercules used to be in the west (from the earlier location), they were now lying in the east (from today’s location). Consequently, the name was given to the new strait in the west, Gibraltar. In the same way the name Hesperia (West) moved from the Carpathian Mountains (Atlantis-time) over Italy to Spain with the expansion of Greece’s horizon. Further, hero Hercules/Herakles is believed to dig the channel before putting up the pillars. This interpretation is not very fitting for the big strait at Gibraltar but for the 20 miles long and 1 mile wide channel from the Mediterrainan Sea/Marmara Sea to the Black Sea (picture). Finally, the mis-interpretation is due to the fact that Herakles visited Iberia. Later, when the saga was interpreted by the Greece and Romans, Iberia meant Spain. Earlier, Iberia was a country at the eastern coast of the Black Sea!
War on Greece and Egypt
The Atlantis saga very clearly and explicitly refers to Egyptian and Greece ancestors in Anatolia. There is strong evidence that both, Greece and Egyptians partly migrated from there to today’s location. This makes the war on Greece and Egypt a war of Europe against Asia or North-Black Sea against South-Black Sea.
Flood
Noah’s Flood as described by Pitman/Ryan lets Atlantis disappear in the Black Sea. Today it is not possible to determine, whether an earthquake caused the land barrier to break. Nevertheless, the Marmara region is known for its frequent and heavy earthquakes.
Economy and Trade
As we found out, Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone. This stone was used intensively until 5500 as trading good/early money. In Europe it was replaced by the spondylus shell beginning 5500 BC. This is the reason why the priest Sonchis only knew the name oreichalcos without a hint or an idea of its real meaning; he had no idea that such a stone used to be cash. The purpose on the other hand determined its value to be second after gold: It reflected the amount of trade and the economic power. The flood virtually led to the first hyperinflation of mankind and the previous role of this precious stone was forgotten.
Rivers/Channels/Irrigation/Two crops: This is self-explaining in view of the rivers flowing through this area/basin. Irrigation (first use proven for Jericho, 7000 BC) allowed a second crop.
The population must have been relatively large (for Stone Age settlements). Steady growth through (i) good situation with respect to nutrition and (ii) steady inflow from migrations. The spread/diaspora after the flood shows that many people must have lived here. Overcrowding was compensated by migrations upwards the main European rivers, establishing five new “river-kingdoms”.
Trade: Atlantis was lying at the estuary of the big European rivers. Obviously there also was a loose connection to India/China because the route was not yet dried out. The use of pigs and lake dwellings was imported from there.
Circular Structure: The circular structure inspired the refugees; The first known circular structures in Europe date back as far as 5000 BC. Further, these were used as sun observatories; it was Atlas, the first King of Atlantis, who first discovered the secret of the sphere. Also, the idea of the labyrinth can be traced back to Atlantis.
Elephants existed in the plain/basin of Atlantis. Due to the fact that the route from India to Europe was not yet arid, Indian Elephants lived in this area. The last elephants in the region were eliminated not earlier 800 BC. Pharao Thutmosis III as a hunter killed 120 elephants there in 1200 BC.
Kings
Iapetos: According to Plato, Poseidon is the father of Atlas. We believe that the conservative view is valid, where the titan Iapetos is the father of Atlas. This change/break has been introduced by Plato intentionally: Iapetos was the grandfather of both, Deukalion and Pyrrha, who survived “Noah’s Flood” in Greek Mythology. As a matter of fact, the Greek Mythology has been brought to Greece 2000 BC by migrants from the area north of the Black Sea. Consequently, the Greek culture as we know it with God Zeus is identical with the descendants of Atlantis. With Iapetos, Plato would have highlighted a basic problem of Greek culture, never ending war between the Greece clans.
Further, the other three sons of Iapetos are identical with three other kings of Atlantis, and together they build the core of this culture:
Prometheus = Ampheres
Epimetheus = Euaimon
Menoitios = Mneseus
Further, the King Eumelos/Gadeiros is identical with Greece’s Hesperos
Iapetos is believed to be identical with the Jafetits of the Bible. They are represented by the third son of Noah, Jafet.
As far as the sequence of mentioning of the kings is concerned, please note, that the sequence follows a certain logic: Atlas (1) in the center, Eumelos/Gadeiros (2) as a very strong region (partly autonomous?) in the outer west, three kings (3-5) around the center (Capital) and five kings (6-10) each representing one of the five main rivers in the area. As far as the last kings are concerned: 6. = outer west 7. outer east 8-10. from west to east
Atlas lived in the Capital, probably Snake Island off the coast of Romania
Eumelos, Gadeiros: According to the Atlantis saga this region still existed at the time where Solon laid down the saga the first time. We are convinced that this means the people of Getae, who lived in the region of today’s Romania/Bulgaria.
Ampheres, Euaimon, Mneseus: Obviously, no direct reference can be made, since these regions around the center island were drowned.
Autochthon refers to the Danube River. The translation means native inhabitants.
Elasippos means horse of war; refers to their first domestication: Don River
Mestor = Dnestr River (similarity in sound)
Azaes = Bug River, Azaes means “the small one”
Diaprepes = Dnepr River (similarity in sound)
Not included
The following items cannot be found in our Atlantis as we understand it. Since they all refer to the military order which was explained by Plato very elaborate, we assume that these items were invented by Plato:
Triere (ship with three decks, not yet invented)
Horse (according to archaeology not yet domesticated)
Chariot (not yet known, however status symbol in Greece)
Prof. Dr. Siegfried G. Schoppe Christian M. Schoppe, MBA
Hamburg/Frankfurt, August 12, 2004
Sursa: www.black-sea-atlantis.com
We are presenting the theory, that Atlantis was a late stone age (Neolithic or Chalcolithic) settlement in today’s northwest of the Black Sea. It was drowned 5510 BC when the ocean flooded the freshwater lake that existed before the Black Sea.
We published this theory in our book that was issued June 2004. This excerpt is meant to give an overview; however, it cannot cover all parts in detail.
GEOLOGY
In 1997 American Marine-Geologists Walter Pitman and William Ryan published the scientific evidence, that today’s Black Sea used to be a freshwater-lake. Its shoreline then was approximately 350 feet below today’s level of the global ocean. By dating fresh- and saltwater shells with the C14 method they found, that the salinity of the lake changed rapidly from fresh to salty around 5500 BC. They call this Noah’s Flood and we are convinced that this interpretation is true.
The reason for this change is the increase of the level of the global ocean since the end of the last ice age, which peaked 20.000 BC. Then the level was 350 feet lower than today. Even 5500 BC when the flood happened, the level was still 45 feet lower. Due to the steady increase at some point in time the former land connection between Europe and Asia at today’s Bosporus (at the city of Istanbul) had to break and release the salt water of the Mediterranen/Marmara Sea into the Black Sea basin with its lower shoreline.
From 1999 to 2003 the theory presented by Pitman/Ryan was challenged severely by a group of international scientists. However, in 2004 Bulgarian Marine-Geologists Petko Dimitrov and Dimitar Dimitrov published the result of their studies under the Black Sea Research Program “Noah”: They are convinced that the flood, a “geocatastrophic event” actually happened and that the dates collected by Pitman/Ryan are correctly dated. This conclusion is based on the examination of sediments rather than mollusks.
In addition, on an earlier expedition with a submarine at the former shoreline they found what will probably be recorded in human history as “Noah’s plate”: An object made from sandstone with early letters on it. Currently, scientists are very reluctant to accept this finding; however, leading scientists have dated the plate as being Neolithic and also reviewed the signs, which seem to be in line with Old European Writing starting around 5500 BC on the Balkan Peninsula.
ARCHAEOLOGY
… before the Flood
The official opinion is that first settlers (7000 BC) sailed from Turkey through the Aegean Sea to Greece (Sesklo Culture; 6400 BC) and moved from there to Thracia (Karanovo Culture; today Turkey/Bulgaria), to the middle Danube region (Starcevo-Koeroes-Cris Culture 6200 BC, over the Balkan Mountains) and to the Dnepr region (also 6200 BC, over the South and North Carpathian Mountains).
Obviously, this official doctrine has to be reviewed under the new evidence. Even for the late Bronze Age Greece it was an adventure to cross the Aegean Sea and settlements obviously used to stretch alongside waters but not over mountains. Under the new evidence the settlers moved primarily to the north along the coast of the freshwater lake (today’s Black Sea): In the great basin in the northwest they found favorable climatic condition, loess soils and lots of rivers. Here is the center of early Neolithic cultures, others call it “Civilization X”, and we call it Atlantis.
The Neolithic development in Europe started from here around 6500 BC and moved up the rivers of Danube and Dnepr. This culture was drowned with Noah’s Flood 5500 BC and we are convinced that this culture also created the Atlantis saga.
… after the Flood
After such a geocatstrophic event - what would have to be expected? A waive of migration in all directions!
In Europe, Neolithic Culture dwelled on the Balkans for almost 1000 years. The year 5500 BC is the year of the Neolithic Diaspora in Europe: Linear Band Ceramics, a culture known through certain ornaments on their ceramics, spread through Europe within centuries, reaching Switzerland no later than 5300 BC and covering the area from the Paris Basin to the Ural Mountains before 5000 BC. In today’s Serbia and Romania, the Vinca-Culture establishes 5500 BC. This culture is even more developed and already had a complex system of writing.
For Egypt, the first Neolithic settlements start at 5500 BC, according to newest evidence. However, here we are confronted with a problem: From 5500 BC to 3000 BC the level of the World Ocean rises another 45 feet. Early cities in the Delta of the river Nile have to be expected well below the surface and well within ground waters. This is the reason, why the Egyptian Culture seems to rise from virtually out of nothing around 3500-3000 BC: Only the traces at the very rim, in the desert and in oases, have been found. The cities are buried under today’s Delta. We are convinced that American Geologist Robert Schoch is absolutely right to date the Sphinx no later than 5000 BC.
Mesopotamia: The fist settlements here have been proven to start at 5000 BC. This gap of 500 years can very well be explained. First of all, the story of the Tower of Babel gives us a hint: Before settling in Mesopotamia, refugees built a city in Eastern Anatolia; Mesopotamia was not really a good place to live: Natural resources are scarce and artificial irrigation has to be developed in order to be able to cope with unsteady waters. On the other hand: The Gulf of Persia used to be a real paradise at that time - before it was drowned by the water of the Indian Sea through the Strait of Hormuz and buried by the sediments of the rivers Euphrat and Tigris…
Overall, it is well known that the Indo-European Language was first developed in the region of the Black Sea. Scientists are fighting whether in the North, the South or the West - and they are not sure when exactly this language spread over the whole area from Western Europe to India. We are convinced that this language was spread over a wide region with the Great Flood that destroyed Atlantis, the prosperous Neolithic Center in today’s Black Sea. Indeed, review of genetic code confirms that the centre of a big waive of migrations is located around (exactly: in!) the Black Sea.
EARLY WRITING
This section could very well be put together with the spread of language and the findings in the genetic code, since its spread basically follows the same rules and logic. However, the obvious evidence in this area is widely ignored, while much attention and acceptance is given to speech and genetics. In principal, the spread of writing is indispensabley linked directly with speech and genetics.
When the first letters were found in the Balkan region, scientists assumed they were originally brought over by colonists from Babylon. There was compelling evidence, that the writing systems were similar: As a matter of fact, many of the letters seemed to be identical.
Later it was found out, that the Old European Writing had to be dated no later than 5500 BC, which made it 2000 years older than the first signs in Mesopotamia. Since then, archaeology chose to completely ignore this fact, which radically contradicted the well settled doctrine. Especially thanks to American scientist Marija Gimbutas and German scientist Harald Haarmann, the existence of such an early writing system in Europe is known and widely accepted. You can find an example of the Old European Writing/Vinca-Font here.
For three reasons early writing in Europe is important:
First of all, it helps to answer the question “When did Atlantis exist?” We are convinced that the destruction of Atlantis happened before 3000 BC: The Egyptians had a writing and a comprehensive dating system since around that date. Had Atlantis submerged after that date, the Egyptian Priest would have been able to say exactly when and exactly where. But Sonchis clearly sets the event long before the first dynasty of pharaohs. On the other hand, such a story with all its details cannot be transported over time without a writing system. Atlantis existed before 3000 BC; it had to exist not much earlier than the earliest writing system on the other hand. Consequently, we receive a time frame for the existence of Atlantis: 6000-3000 BC.
Secondly, the following question can be answered: “How could the saga of Atlantis be transported so far over time?” The answer is: The first refugees to Egypt already had a writing system. As a matter of fact, the Egyptian Priest was citing a primary source. This is why the saga is - as we will provide later in our catalogue - correct in so many details. Just recently German Archaeologist Guenther Dreyer re-dated the first Egyptian writing: He found that already 3400 BC a complete set of phonetic writing existed, making Egyptian Writing older than the Writing of Sumer. This had to be expected and we expect a further shift of this timeline. Unfortunately, the oldest and most abundant findings are covered by water and sediments in the Delta of the Nile.
Finally, early writing helps to answer the question “Where did Atlantis exist?” It is explicitly stated that Atlantis used to have a writing system. This also has to be expected from the level of development, especially of trade, as it has been described. Now, when the first known writing can be found at the middle Danube region, it is to assume that it was brought by refugees from Atlantis, the Neolithic center in the Black Sea, upwards on their way through Europe.
Overall, archaeologists are mistaken when they assume trade and exchange between cultures based on similar signs and writings. As a matter of fact, there is a common source in the same way as in speech or genetics.
ATLANTIS CATALOGUE
In general, people tend to put together a list of criteria, check whether they are fulfilled and come to the conclusion that Atlantis is where they assumed it to be. On the other hand, a catalogue is a good mean to give a brief overview. Here is our interpretation in short:
dark blue: world ocean, early freshwater lake
light blue: area flooded 5510 BC
red dotted line: area controlled by Atlantis
“Schlangeninsel” red dot: probable location of island/capital Atlantis
Topography
The Atlantic Sea means the Black Sea: This Sea used to be in-naviable due to methane and hydrosulfide gas resulting from the biological death of the sea as a consequence of inflowing saltwater into the freshwater lake. Rising gas bubbles lead a ship to immediately sink because the relative density of water with bubbles rapidly deteriorates. The methane gas is stored within the sediments at the bottom of the sea. The early Greece still called the sea “inhospitable sea”.
The Atlantic Ocean itself received its name from a misled location of Atlantis; consequently, this name does not give a clue to the location. The Greek word for sea, pontos, alone means the Black Sea. In the same way the Indo-European word for sea, mare (Latin), morje (Russian), meer (German), meru (Indian) originally means the Black Sea. Finally, if one takes a look at the global map of any culture in this region, Indian, Egypt, even antique Greece, the Black Sea is always in the middle (example1 example2)!
The area is the basin in the northwest of the Black Sea. The area from Danube River to Don River and from Dneporopetrowsk to the former shoreline coincides with the size mentioned in the saga. As described, the area is slightly sloped towards the Black Sea rim.
The mountains in the north with their rich settlements mean the Carpathian Mountains with the archaeologically proven settlements of Starcevo-Koeroes-Cris. Wood, salt, gold, silver, probably copper and certainly obsidian (see below) were transported towards Atlantis via the Alt and Danube rivers. The location in the northwest coincides with the steady wind out of northwest.
It is supposed that Atlantis was an island. This is partly correct, partly not: The absolute center actually was an island with channels/rivers on all sides. The whole area was not an island. From the context it is clear that the word island is used in two different meanings: To describe the island in the middle of the capital and the country Atlantis itself. Swiss archaeologist Eberhard Zangger found out, that the Egypt Hieroglyph means both: Island and foreign country.
The Pillars of Hercules are identical with the Strait of Bosporus. As a matter of fact, the primary source did not say anything about the Strait of Gibraltar. First of all, the Pillars of Hercules are probably misinterpreted by the Egyptian Priest. We suppose that the primary source tells something about a strait in the west. Further, the Strait of Gibraltar received the name later through re-interpretation. In the beginning, the Strait of Bosporus was identified with this name. Later, around 2000 BC the antique Greece culture moved towards its today location from their area north of the Black Sea. Whereas the original Pillars of Hercules used to be in the west (from the earlier location), they were now lying in the east (from today’s location). Consequently, the name was given to the new strait in the west, Gibraltar. In the same way the name Hesperia (West) moved from the Carpathian Mountains (Atlantis-time) over Italy to Spain with the expansion of Greece’s horizon. Further, hero Hercules/Herakles is believed to dig the channel before putting up the pillars. This interpretation is not very fitting for the big strait at Gibraltar but for the 20 miles long and 1 mile wide channel from the Mediterrainan Sea/Marmara Sea to the Black Sea (picture). Finally, the mis-interpretation is due to the fact that Herakles visited Iberia. Later, when the saga was interpreted by the Greece and Romans, Iberia meant Spain. Earlier, Iberia was a country at the eastern coast of the Black Sea!
War on Greece and Egypt
The Atlantis saga very clearly and explicitly refers to Egyptian and Greece ancestors in Anatolia. There is strong evidence that both, Greece and Egyptians partly migrated from there to today’s location. This makes the war on Greece and Egypt a war of Europe against Asia or North-Black Sea against South-Black Sea.
Flood
Noah’s Flood as described by Pitman/Ryan lets Atlantis disappear in the Black Sea. Today it is not possible to determine, whether an earthquake caused the land barrier to break. Nevertheless, the Marmara region is known for its frequent and heavy earthquakes.
Economy and Trade
As we found out, Oreichalcos means the obsidian stone. This stone was used intensively until 5500 as trading good/early money. In Europe it was replaced by the spondylus shell beginning 5500 BC. This is the reason why the priest Sonchis only knew the name oreichalcos without a hint or an idea of its real meaning; he had no idea that such a stone used to be cash. The purpose on the other hand determined its value to be second after gold: It reflected the amount of trade and the economic power. The flood virtually led to the first hyperinflation of mankind and the previous role of this precious stone was forgotten.
Rivers/Channels/Irrigation/Two crops: This is self-explaining in view of the rivers flowing through this area/basin. Irrigation (first use proven for Jericho, 7000 BC) allowed a second crop.
The population must have been relatively large (for Stone Age settlements). Steady growth through (i) good situation with respect to nutrition and (ii) steady inflow from migrations. The spread/diaspora after the flood shows that many people must have lived here. Overcrowding was compensated by migrations upwards the main European rivers, establishing five new “river-kingdoms”.
Trade: Atlantis was lying at the estuary of the big European rivers. Obviously there also was a loose connection to India/China because the route was not yet dried out. The use of pigs and lake dwellings was imported from there.
Circular Structure: The circular structure inspired the refugees; The first known circular structures in Europe date back as far as 5000 BC. Further, these were used as sun observatories; it was Atlas, the first King of Atlantis, who first discovered the secret of the sphere. Also, the idea of the labyrinth can be traced back to Atlantis.
Elephants existed in the plain/basin of Atlantis. Due to the fact that the route from India to Europe was not yet arid, Indian Elephants lived in this area. The last elephants in the region were eliminated not earlier 800 BC. Pharao Thutmosis III as a hunter killed 120 elephants there in 1200 BC.
Kings
Iapetos: According to Plato, Poseidon is the father of Atlas. We believe that the conservative view is valid, where the titan Iapetos is the father of Atlas. This change/break has been introduced by Plato intentionally: Iapetos was the grandfather of both, Deukalion and Pyrrha, who survived “Noah’s Flood” in Greek Mythology. As a matter of fact, the Greek Mythology has been brought to Greece 2000 BC by migrants from the area north of the Black Sea. Consequently, the Greek culture as we know it with God Zeus is identical with the descendants of Atlantis. With Iapetos, Plato would have highlighted a basic problem of Greek culture, never ending war between the Greece clans.
Further, the other three sons of Iapetos are identical with three other kings of Atlantis, and together they build the core of this culture:
Prometheus = Ampheres
Epimetheus = Euaimon
Menoitios = Mneseus
Further, the King Eumelos/Gadeiros is identical with Greece’s Hesperos
Iapetos is believed to be identical with the Jafetits of the Bible. They are represented by the third son of Noah, Jafet.
As far as the sequence of mentioning of the kings is concerned, please note, that the sequence follows a certain logic: Atlas (1) in the center, Eumelos/Gadeiros (2) as a very strong region (partly autonomous?) in the outer west, three kings (3-5) around the center (Capital) and five kings (6-10) each representing one of the five main rivers in the area. As far as the last kings are concerned: 6. = outer west 7. outer east 8-10. from west to east
Atlas lived in the Capital, probably Snake Island off the coast of Romania
Eumelos, Gadeiros: According to the Atlantis saga this region still existed at the time where Solon laid down the saga the first time. We are convinced that this means the people of Getae, who lived in the region of today’s Romania/Bulgaria.
Ampheres, Euaimon, Mneseus: Obviously, no direct reference can be made, since these regions around the center island were drowned.
Autochthon refers to the Danube River. The translation means native inhabitants.
Elasippos means horse of war; refers to their first domestication: Don River
Mestor = Dnestr River (similarity in sound)
Azaes = Bug River, Azaes means “the small one”
Diaprepes = Dnepr River (similarity in sound)
Not included
The following items cannot be found in our Atlantis as we understand it. Since they all refer to the military order which was explained by Plato very elaborate, we assume that these items were invented by Plato:
Triere (ship with three decks, not yet invented)
Horse (according to archaeology not yet domesticated)
Chariot (not yet known, however status symbol in Greece)
Prof. Dr. Siegfried G. Schoppe Christian M. Schoppe, MBA
Hamburg/Frankfurt, August 12, 2004
Sursa: www.black-sea-atlantis.com
27 mar. 2010
Floriile - o sarbatoare cu origini tracice
Floriile, această sărbătoare populară românească pe care o vom celebra duminică, 28 martie, cu o săptămînă înainte de Paşti, este încununarea unei săptămîni închinate zeiţei Flora, al cărei cult a pătruns pe aceste meleaguri prin influenţă romană. Etnologul lect. dr. Delia Suiogan atrage, însă, atenţia asupra originilor mult mai vechi ale acestei sărbători, care era “ţinută” şi de traci, ca parte a cultului lui Dionysos, un zeu al vegetaţiei care îmbătrîneşte, moare şi renaşte odată cu anul.
Mîţişorii - simbolul
tinereţii veşnice
Se spune în popor că în Săptămîna Florilor (care precedă duminica Floriilor) toate plantele şi toţi pomii înfloresc şi dau spre rod. Dionysos, căruia îi sînt închinate multe sărbători în această perioadă de trecere spre vară, era un zeu reprezentat, în general, călare pe un măgar.
El parcurgea ciclul vieţii şi al morţii o dată cu anul, devenind o marcă pentru evoluţia circulară a acestuia. Un simbol important pentru Florii este ramura de salcie, sau mîţişorii. Cu origini precreştine, ulterior preluat de creştini, acest simbol semnifică tinereţea care poate deveni veşnică, din cauza extraordinarei capacităţi a salciei de a prinde rădăcini în solul unde e plantată. “Acest simbol al tinereţii veşnice nu conţine ideea absenţei morţii, ci include moartea în ideea de devenire”, explică dr. Delia Suiogan.
Focurile funerare îi anunţă pe morţi despre sosirea Paştilor
Un alt obicei din popor este ca în ziua ce precede Floriile, numită sîmbăta lui Lazăr, să se aprindă focuri. “Acestea sînt focuri funerare, spre deosebire de cele aprinse de Sînmedru sau de Sîngeorz, care sînt focuri legate de echinocţii sau solstiţii. Focurile din sîmbăta lui Lazăr celebrează moartea ca prag al unei vieţi veşnice, al vieţii de dincolo, care este viaţa adevărată”, povesteşte etnologul. Focurile au rolul de a-i anunţa pe morţi că urmează să vină Paştile.
Tot în ajunul de Florii, copiii culeg rămurele de salcie, dintre care o parte se duc la biserică, urmînd să fie sfinţite a doua zi dimineaţă, iar o altă parte se înfig în morminte sau în marginea viei. Mulţi gospodari obişnuiau să ia mănunchiuri de mîţişori culese de prunci şi să le îngroape la marginea ţarinei, pentru a avea recolte bogate.
Zilele cînd morţii
se întorc acasă
Alte focuri urmează să fie aprinse în Joia Mare, cea dinainte de Paşti, cînd au o cu totul altă semnificaţie: aceea de eliberare a sufletelor prin incinerare. “Din sîmbăta lui Lazăr şi pînă la Paşti, morţii urmau să se întoarcă acasă şi se producea acel cult foarte puternic al moşilor şi strămoşilor. În duminica Floriilor se dau foarte multe pomeni pentru morţi. De altfel, se consideră în popor că moşii de Florii sînt cei mai mari moşi de peste an. Acum se oferă colaci, prescuri şi foarte multe lumînări de pomană. Ceea ce e foarte important e că acum, ca şi la înmormîntare, toate pomenile se dau peste focuri şi peste morminte. Aşadar, nu e pur şi simplu un schimb ritual, ci există această trecere peste un prag, care este foarte importantă”, a desluşit dr. Suiogan mentalitatea populară.
Anca GOJA
Sursa: www.graiul.ro
Mîţişorii - simbolul
tinereţii veşnice
Se spune în popor că în Săptămîna Florilor (care precedă duminica Floriilor) toate plantele şi toţi pomii înfloresc şi dau spre rod. Dionysos, căruia îi sînt închinate multe sărbători în această perioadă de trecere spre vară, era un zeu reprezentat, în general, călare pe un măgar.
El parcurgea ciclul vieţii şi al morţii o dată cu anul, devenind o marcă pentru evoluţia circulară a acestuia. Un simbol important pentru Florii este ramura de salcie, sau mîţişorii. Cu origini precreştine, ulterior preluat de creştini, acest simbol semnifică tinereţea care poate deveni veşnică, din cauza extraordinarei capacităţi a salciei de a prinde rădăcini în solul unde e plantată. “Acest simbol al tinereţii veşnice nu conţine ideea absenţei morţii, ci include moartea în ideea de devenire”, explică dr. Delia Suiogan.
Focurile funerare îi anunţă pe morţi despre sosirea Paştilor
Un alt obicei din popor este ca în ziua ce precede Floriile, numită sîmbăta lui Lazăr, să se aprindă focuri. “Acestea sînt focuri funerare, spre deosebire de cele aprinse de Sînmedru sau de Sîngeorz, care sînt focuri legate de echinocţii sau solstiţii. Focurile din sîmbăta lui Lazăr celebrează moartea ca prag al unei vieţi veşnice, al vieţii de dincolo, care este viaţa adevărată”, povesteşte etnologul. Focurile au rolul de a-i anunţa pe morţi că urmează să vină Paştile.
Tot în ajunul de Florii, copiii culeg rămurele de salcie, dintre care o parte se duc la biserică, urmînd să fie sfinţite a doua zi dimineaţă, iar o altă parte se înfig în morminte sau în marginea viei. Mulţi gospodari obişnuiau să ia mănunchiuri de mîţişori culese de prunci şi să le îngroape la marginea ţarinei, pentru a avea recolte bogate.
Zilele cînd morţii
se întorc acasă
Alte focuri urmează să fie aprinse în Joia Mare, cea dinainte de Paşti, cînd au o cu totul altă semnificaţie: aceea de eliberare a sufletelor prin incinerare. “Din sîmbăta lui Lazăr şi pînă la Paşti, morţii urmau să se întoarcă acasă şi se producea acel cult foarte puternic al moşilor şi strămoşilor. În duminica Floriilor se dau foarte multe pomeni pentru morţi. De altfel, se consideră în popor că moşii de Florii sînt cei mai mari moşi de peste an. Acum se oferă colaci, prescuri şi foarte multe lumînări de pomană. Ceea ce e foarte important e că acum, ca şi la înmormîntare, toate pomenile se dau peste focuri şi peste morminte. Aşadar, nu e pur şi simplu un schimb ritual, ci există această trecere peste un prag, care este foarte importantă”, a desluşit dr. Suiogan mentalitatea populară.
Anca GOJA
Sursa: www.graiul.ro
26 mar. 2010
Basescu si Filmul Avatar
De inceput de weekend. Ar fi comic daca nu ar fi adevarat, a zis
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